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Snacks with Conor Burke

Snacks with Conor Burke

In this episode, Minneapolis-based Drag Queen, Lala Luzious chats with Gleecap: A Glee Podcast’s Conor Burke about life lessons learned from watching American TV Show Glee.

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WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.080 --> 00:00:05.919 Hey, what's up world? Welcome to season three of snack size, the 2 00:00:06.080 --> 00:00:11.070 podcast that will drag you into your most fabulous life. It's a brand new 3 00:00:11.150 --> 00:00:16.070 year and it's a great time to live the like of your dreams. You've 4 00:00:16.109 --> 00:00:19.710 got to do you because no one else can and, no matter what, 5 00:00:20.109 --> 00:00:23.859 you're happy and fulfilled life looks like. I want to help you get there. 6 00:00:24.260 --> 00:00:31.100 Our time together starts now. Hey, snacks, I am so excited 7 00:00:31.219 --> 00:00:35.460 for this episode because we are going to talk about one of my favorite TV 8 00:00:35.500 --> 00:00:42.049 shows of all time, Glee. Glee is an American musical comedy drama television 9 00:00:42.090 --> 00:00:46.170 series that aired in the United States. It centers on the Glee Club called 10 00:00:46.170 --> 00:00:51.200 the new directions at the fictional William mckinney high school, and the group competes 11 00:00:51.240 --> 00:00:58.119 as a show choir while tackling social issues such as sexuality, raise family relationships 12 00:00:58.240 --> 00:01:03.880 and teamwork. Joining me today is glee expert and host of the glee cap 13 00:01:03.040 --> 00:01:08.670 podcast, Connor Burke. Connor is also an Irish actor in playwright. He 14 00:01:08.870 --> 00:01:14.709 graduated from Queen Mary University of London in two thousand and eighteen and, it 15 00:01:14.870 --> 00:01:19.540 sends written several successful plays. Connor became the youngest artist to write and perform 16 00:01:19.579 --> 00:01:26.140 a one man play at the International Doubling Gay Theater Festival in two thousand and 17 00:01:26.219 --> 00:01:30.780 fifteen. With this show leaving Narnia, today we are going to chat with 18 00:01:30.939 --> 00:01:34.810 connor about my lessons. We both learned from watching Glee, all the way 19 00:01:34.849 --> 00:01:42.689 from across the pond. Welcome to snack size, Connor Burke. Hi Connor, 20 00:01:42.769 --> 00:01:47.519 welcome to snack sighs. Hi La. Thank you so much for having 21 00:01:47.599 --> 00:01:52.280 me. Of course, I am so excited to talk about glee. On 22 00:01:52.400 --> 00:01:55.959 Your podcast website it says glee was a moment and we need to talk about 23 00:01:56.000 --> 00:01:57.959 it. So that is what we're going to do today. But before we 24 00:01:59.040 --> 00:02:01.870 get started, for those of my listeners who don't know you, because they 25 00:02:01.909 --> 00:02:06.230 should know you because I had the opportunity to be on your podcast, which 26 00:02:06.310 --> 00:02:09.310 was an amazing experience, tell them about yourself and about your show. Yeah, 27 00:02:09.349 --> 00:02:15.069 absolutely. My name is Connor Burke and I am from Ireland and I 28 00:02:15.189 --> 00:02:20.340 have a podcast called Glee Cup and which we re watch every single episode of 29 00:02:20.539 --> 00:02:25.219 Glee ever and every week, every other week, I have a different guest 30 00:02:25.379 --> 00:02:31.210 on to dissect not only the episode, including the musical numbers and the performances, 31 00:02:31.289 --> 00:02:37.930 etc. But also talk about the cultural moment that glee was was in 32 00:02:38.210 --> 00:02:42.250 at the time and what it's said about culture and society, particularly in the 33 00:02:42.330 --> 00:02:46.639 US. When it came out. It definitely was a really powerful show and 34 00:02:46.800 --> 00:02:51.719 what I really want to dive into today is that the life lessons that may 35 00:02:51.800 --> 00:02:54.759 have shaped people like you and me who watch the show. So you are 36 00:02:55.120 --> 00:03:00.270 the glee expert. I don't think I met anybody that knows glee more than 37 00:03:00.310 --> 00:03:05.710 you. How many episodes in total ofgly are there? There is one hundred 38 00:03:05.750 --> 00:03:09.870 and twenty one episodes of Glee, oh my goodness, which is iconic. 39 00:03:09.909 --> 00:03:14.819 Yeah, yes, and how many? How many have you covered on your 40 00:03:14.860 --> 00:03:19.300 podcast so far? And I work really for an advance, Wallas, as 41 00:03:19.340 --> 00:03:24.819 if recording this with you right now, I've recorded seventy episodes, but an 42 00:03:24.860 --> 00:03:29.770 episode and he comes out once a week on Wednesdays. So I think the 43 00:03:29.969 --> 00:03:32.610 twenty six there's something is about to come out. So we work really far 44 00:03:32.689 --> 00:03:38.250 in advance due to the pandemic. That makes sense. I remember when I 45 00:03:38.289 --> 00:03:40.800 recorded with you, I think I said your message and I was like right, 46 00:03:40.840 --> 00:03:47.840 episode coming, but I don't really and it's important to work hard advance, 47 00:03:47.960 --> 00:03:52.560 which is actually something you can learn from the gleat show about preparing and 48 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:57.669 working hard. Absolutely, and I mean I suppose you definitely knows this as 49 00:03:57.750 --> 00:04:02.590 well with your podcast. You know, sourcing interesting people who not only are 50 00:04:02.669 --> 00:04:09.550 in trusting but who are intelligent and funny and engaging and takes a lot of 51 00:04:09.669 --> 00:04:14.340 time because you have to work your schedule around there's and I never wanted to 52 00:04:14.419 --> 00:04:16.899 be in a position where I was just looking for people week to week, 53 00:04:16.980 --> 00:04:20.339 if that makes any sense. Yeah, for sure. Picking guests is super 54 00:04:20.420 --> 00:04:25.329 hard. I know that I'm particular about my guests and that I want them 55 00:04:25.370 --> 00:04:29.050 to have a really interesting story and something to share, especially since I have 56 00:04:29.290 --> 00:04:32.009 such a short amount of time for my podcast, and I commend you for 57 00:04:32.129 --> 00:04:35.370 being much further ahead than I am. I can say that for so, 58 00:04:35.970 --> 00:04:41.240 I think I asked you to prepare three things that you learn from Glee. 59 00:04:41.480 --> 00:04:45.800 What was your first thing that you learn from watching glee? Fantastic. Yes, 60 00:04:45.920 --> 00:04:51.279 so the first thing I learned from watching glee is there is nothing more 61 00:04:51.439 --> 00:04:58.149 liberation than being yourself, and it may seem, you know, obvious, 62 00:04:58.589 --> 00:05:03.430 but once you dissected it's so true. It's like, I feel so privileged 63 00:05:03.750 --> 00:05:08.579 that, even though there might be people who might not like me for who 64 00:05:08.579 --> 00:05:13.819 I am, the privilege in being exactly who I am is something that I 65 00:05:13.980 --> 00:05:19.220 think often people take for granted because not a lot of people have thought. 66 00:05:19.819 --> 00:05:26.610 And somebody say the majority of people don't have that. And you know, 67 00:05:26.970 --> 00:05:31.209 especially you and I, being a part of the LGBT community, we probably 68 00:05:31.250 --> 00:05:38.240 understand that a lot more than most people. Yes, and I do feel 69 00:05:38.480 --> 00:05:42.240 that it is just a human tendency that we always look to someone else to 70 00:05:42.319 --> 00:05:46.439 give us love, but what we sometimes forget is that there is someone who 71 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:50.389 loves you and that can be yourself. And what I found interesting about glee 72 00:05:50.550 --> 00:05:55.189 is that that's kind of the storyline that each character had in their own way. 73 00:05:55.509 --> 00:05:58.790 They were always looking for someone else to love them or some type of 74 00:05:58.790 --> 00:06:00.709 validation and something that, something else. But then I feel like about the 75 00:06:00.709 --> 00:06:04.579 end of the series, they all found their own self worth. Yes, 76 00:06:04.819 --> 00:06:11.019 absolutely, and the beautiful thing about us is that they found their own self 77 00:06:11.060 --> 00:06:14.420 worth through themselves, but through each other. Do you know what I mean? 78 00:06:14.459 --> 00:06:18.170 I'm watching yes, and another Rhyne Murphy show with the menace and pose 79 00:06:18.569 --> 00:06:25.529 and which obviously talks about drug culture and ballroom culture in the S in New 80 00:06:25.569 --> 00:06:30.089 York and firstly, I think it's probably the best thing he's ever made and 81 00:06:30.850 --> 00:06:36.839 secondly, I am so moved by us it like it's a story about community 82 00:06:38.040 --> 00:06:43.519 and acceptance and, you know, falling down and having other people pick you 83 00:06:43.639 --> 00:06:46.519 back up and brush you off and tell you that everything's going to be okay 84 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:49.790 and your life and experience is just so valid. So it's definitely like a 85 00:06:49.910 --> 00:06:56.949 recurring theme throughout his work. It would like people who would be considered misfits 86 00:06:57.430 --> 00:07:00.740 forming a family, and it vary. Does relate to glee because you have 87 00:07:01.259 --> 00:07:06.019 these students that are just all different types of people and they find a way 88 00:07:06.139 --> 00:07:10.500 to sort of form this really strong bond that last for seasons and seasons. 89 00:07:10.540 --> 00:07:15.170 Of course. I definitely see that in pose. To pose takes a different 90 00:07:15.329 --> 00:07:21.290 slant because in general the kids and Glee were pretty safe. There's obviously like 91 00:07:21.370 --> 00:07:24.649 a safety factor that happens in pose, like, you know, when you 92 00:07:24.810 --> 00:07:28.089 get out of their homes and stuff. So that's that's one difference I see, 93 00:07:28.170 --> 00:07:30.279 but in terms of like all the different people come together and forming a 94 00:07:30.319 --> 00:07:35.480 family, it's very much the same. Yeah, absolutely, like both very 95 00:07:35.560 --> 00:07:40.519 different but so touching as well in their own way. You know, gle 96 00:07:40.720 --> 00:07:47.110 obviously in this kind of ridiculous alternative universe that doesn't really exist, and pose 97 00:07:47.589 --> 00:07:56.110 just ground at in this beautiful, oftentimes heartbreak in reality that so many people 98 00:07:56.870 --> 00:08:01.699 went through and, like our brothers and sisters in the lgbt community, you 99 00:08:01.779 --> 00:08:05.339 know back thirty, forty, fifty, sixty years ago, what went through 100 00:08:05.540 --> 00:08:09.100 and it's just so lovely to watch that show as well. And with that 101 00:08:09.220 --> 00:08:13.850 in mind, you know, knowing how far we all have come as a 102 00:08:13.889 --> 00:08:18.209 community. Well, we have gotten so sidetrack. So let's move to what 103 00:08:18.490 --> 00:08:24.009 is your second life lesson that you've learned from great? Okay, so the 104 00:08:24.209 --> 00:08:28.399 second life lesson that I learned from Gley is that the world isn't black and 105 00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:33.919 white, it's gray. They're is nuance and people are complicated and messy and 106 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:39.080 it's possible to think and be two things at once, even if on the 107 00:08:39.200 --> 00:08:46.389 surface they should be conflicted. It's okay. That is something that I immediately 108 00:08:46.429 --> 00:08:50.830 learned from watching the show. I mean the cleverything about glue was that it 109 00:08:52.029 --> 00:08:58.340 initially drew people in because of the big musical numbers and the stereotypical characters for 110 00:08:58.500 --> 00:09:03.460 example, the Dumb Jack, the effeminist gay man, the big and Sassy 111 00:09:03.580 --> 00:09:09.610 black woman, the annoying Jewish girl. But what it did very quickly was 112 00:09:09.769 --> 00:09:16.250 that it kind of flipped those tropes on their heads, and sometimes I didn't 113 00:09:16.250 --> 00:09:22.169 do that brilliantly, but you know that it was done, and that's something 114 00:09:22.289 --> 00:09:31.120 that I learned from the show is that nuance and complications and previous experiences really 115 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:37.279 mold a person into who they are today, and everything may not be as 116 00:09:37.320 --> 00:09:41.190 it seems when it comes to someone's perception of you or your perception of them. 117 00:09:41.590 --> 00:09:46.470 It's so important that you touched on that, because people are so scared 118 00:09:46.629 --> 00:09:50.389 of gray area. Are Human instinct is to accept things that are black and 119 00:09:50.470 --> 00:09:54.460 white, because it's very easy to understand. Yes, but life has a 120 00:09:54.500 --> 00:09:58.659 lot of gray area and when you're talking about living a happy and fulfilled life, 121 00:09:58.700 --> 00:10:01.779 no matter what that looks like for you, there is going to be 122 00:10:03.139 --> 00:10:05.740 great area and you'd need to be okay with that, and I think that 123 00:10:05.899 --> 00:10:11.169 Glean does a really good job of ultimately giving each character a way to accept 124 00:10:11.730 --> 00:10:15.570 the nuances, as you say, of themselves and being okay with that greatness. 125 00:10:15.970 --> 00:10:20.649 Do you remember watching the show and seeing these nuances and it affected your 126 00:10:20.649 --> 00:10:24.279 own life one hundred percent. I'm in Glee came out when I was fourteen 127 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:28.639 and it ended when I was twenty. So for those six years it was 128 00:10:28.799 --> 00:10:33.799 really a formative experience in which, I mean everyone knows that when you're that 129 00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:37.389 age you are coming to terms with all that you are and everything that you're 130 00:10:37.429 --> 00:10:41.590 not and you're not sure what you're into, you're not sure what kind of 131 00:10:41.669 --> 00:10:45.750 person you want to be. You're confused, your stressed, you know, 132 00:10:46.309 --> 00:10:50.820 and watching Glee for those six years was my only stability. It was a 133 00:10:50.980 --> 00:10:54.820 TV show and it was my only stability. I mean, friends came and 134 00:10:54.980 --> 00:11:01.779 went and relationships broke down, but the only thing that I find comforted was 135 00:11:01.820 --> 00:11:05.730 a TV show. So, in terms of nuances, I find so much 136 00:11:05.769 --> 00:11:11.129 nuances in the characters and the writing and the actors portrayals of those characters. 137 00:11:11.529 --> 00:11:18.759 Someone that immediately, you know, jumps to mind is Santana Lopez, who 138 00:11:18.879 --> 00:11:22.679 is played by Nairo Vera, who unfortunately passed away in two thousand and twenty, 139 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:28.639 but she just broke down so many boundaries for being a woman of color 140 00:11:30.639 --> 00:11:37.750 who got to play this rich and complex character that initially started out as a 141 00:11:37.830 --> 00:11:41.590 saucy cheerleader that maybe said one line or two lines every episode that, by 142 00:11:41.669 --> 00:11:46.580 the end of the show, had turned into this fully formed, incredible woman 143 00:11:48.220 --> 00:11:54.139 with her own flaws and mistakes and regrets. was just the most magical transformation, 144 00:11:54.340 --> 00:11:58.659 and you know, I grew up with that character in the sense that 145 00:11:58.740 --> 00:12:03.009 I went through a transformation of that myself, because by the time the show 146 00:12:03.049 --> 00:12:11.610 had ended I was twenty and seeing those nuances was really beautiful. I definitely 147 00:12:11.649 --> 00:12:13.850 would have loved to see where she was going to go with her career and 148 00:12:15.009 --> 00:12:18.799 I think that just the same Tana Lopez character speaks to so many different people 149 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:22.679 and will continue to speak to people as the show rears, wherever it may 150 00:12:22.679 --> 00:12:28.559 be. Absolutely amen. What with be your third lesson that you learned from 151 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:35.309 the Glee so my third lesson that I've learned from glee comes from one miss 152 00:12:35.629 --> 00:12:39.590 sue Sylvester, the iconic se Silvestor, arguably one of the most legendary TV 153 00:12:39.710 --> 00:12:46.500 characters of all time and played by one of the most legendary American actresses and 154 00:12:46.779 --> 00:12:52.179 Comedians of all time, Miss Jane Lynch, and and it's a quote that 155 00:12:52.299 --> 00:12:56.860 sue Sylvester has so sue for people who might not be completely familiar with the 156 00:12:56.899 --> 00:13:01.649 show, and she's a cheerleading coach that always tries to bring the glee club 157 00:13:01.730 --> 00:13:05.809 down. But she has a news segment on a local news station in Ohio 158 00:13:07.330 --> 00:13:13.679 called Sue's corner, and this is one of her fabulous quotes. This is 159 00:13:13.759 --> 00:13:18.039 what she says, which, no exaggeration, is something I live by and 160 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:22.919 had that has got me through so much. So she says towards the end 161 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:26.679 of a season one episode, she says, you know something, it's not 162 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:30.629 easy to break out of your comfort zone. People will tear you down, 163 00:13:30.990 --> 00:13:33.590 tell you you shouldn't have bothered in the first place. But let me tell 164 00:13:33.629 --> 00:13:39.110 you something. There's not much of a difference between a stadium full of cheering 165 00:13:39.309 --> 00:13:43.059 fans and an angry crowd screaming abuse at you. They're both just making a 166 00:13:43.100 --> 00:13:48.340 lot of noise. How you take it is up to you. Convince yourself 167 00:13:48.460 --> 00:13:52.899 to Cheerin for you. You do that and someday they will. I mean, 168 00:13:52.980 --> 00:13:56.490 I don't even know what to say to that. I just think firstly, 169 00:13:56.570 --> 00:14:01.409 it's a beautiful piece of writing and it's so succinct, but secondly it's 170 00:14:01.450 --> 00:14:05.649 just something that has resonated with me deeply throughout my life because I just think 171 00:14:05.690 --> 00:14:09.960 it's so true. Gle definitely taught me how to believe in myself and I 172 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:13.960 think that quote is great for something that up. It is important that, 173 00:14:15.279 --> 00:14:20.000 no matter what you want to do, you have to be the first person 174 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:22.639 cheering for yourself. I think that when you look at the story of the 175 00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:26.950 new directions, that they stopped believing in themself, and I know their big 176 00:14:26.990 --> 00:14:30.669 song is don't stop believing, because they ever, whenever they stopped believing in 177 00:14:30.710 --> 00:14:33.629 themselves was when they struggled. And so, frankly, I kind of learned 178 00:14:33.669 --> 00:14:35.870 that. I was like, even if you don't think it's going to happen, 179 00:14:35.909 --> 00:14:39.539 it can, but that's only going to start with you. Absolutely and 180 00:14:39.700 --> 00:14:43.460 I think it's a message sues quos there that I just read out is something 181 00:14:43.539 --> 00:14:48.779 that you can carry through your your whole life. Like I remember when I 182 00:14:48.860 --> 00:14:50.940 was seventeen and I came out and I was just like, Oh my God, 183 00:14:52.059 --> 00:14:54.610 life is going to be easy now, life is just going to be 184 00:14:54.730 --> 00:14:58.450 easy. But then, as a lot of people in the queer community know, 185 00:14:58.370 --> 00:15:03.570 and people are just obsessed with labeling you, no matter who you are, 186 00:15:03.730 --> 00:15:07.960 where you go. So the second that you come out of the closet 187 00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:11.000 and you feel like you are going to live your best life, and don't 188 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:13.799 get me wrong, I mean but most people who come out at the closet 189 00:15:13.919 --> 00:15:18.080 live a much happier, fulfilled life. But you know, you're automatically then 190 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:24.350 judged by the community that you are part of. It's this whole thing of 191 00:15:24.909 --> 00:15:28.190 what kind of gay person are they? You know, what kind of drug 192 00:15:28.230 --> 00:15:33.909 artist or they? It's very judgmental at times and I know a lot of 193 00:15:33.990 --> 00:15:39.860 queer people who are who are put off by by the the LGBT scene for 194 00:15:39.059 --> 00:15:43.980 that reason, which is something that I completely understood. So sus quote is 195 00:15:45.100 --> 00:15:48.019 so opt for, no matter who you are or what point you are in 196 00:15:48.139 --> 00:15:54.690 your journey. I think you touched on something really important that glee highlighted was 197 00:15:54.850 --> 00:15:58.009 they had characters that were in the closet, they had characters that were out 198 00:15:58.049 --> 00:16:02.370 of the closet and they had characters that were at one point in the closet 199 00:16:02.409 --> 00:16:06.200 and then came out of the closet. And I think what this show really 200 00:16:06.399 --> 00:16:11.600 showed me was that being in the closet comes with it set of problems. 201 00:16:11.200 --> 00:16:15.519 Now, of the closet comes with this set of problems and at any given 202 00:16:15.559 --> 00:16:18.909 point in your life, I guess you just have to choose which works better 203 00:16:18.950 --> 00:16:22.149 for you. I personally don't have anything against people who want to stay in. 204 00:16:22.389 --> 00:16:25.110 I get it, but there's also going to you know, there's also 205 00:16:25.149 --> 00:16:26.830 issues with that. But being out isn't any easier, and you know, 206 00:16:26.909 --> 00:16:30.309 you definitely see that with Kurt Hummel. It's a it's a difficult choice, 207 00:16:30.470 --> 00:16:33.500 but I think that you're right. Once you come out, I think that 208 00:16:33.580 --> 00:16:37.860 the show kind of Romanticize it a little bit where they made it seem like 209 00:16:37.899 --> 00:16:40.419 this great thing, but definitely in the real world you still have. It 210 00:16:40.580 --> 00:16:44.740 still a struggle. Oh absolutely, and me even saw with Kersh coming out 211 00:16:44.860 --> 00:16:49.769 with, you know, the intense bullying that he got from another character and 212 00:16:51.009 --> 00:16:55.690 you know he was kissed by this bully who was himself closeted. And with 213 00:16:55.809 --> 00:17:00.840 Ni revires character and Santana, you know, she was completely pushed aside by 214 00:17:00.919 --> 00:17:07.319 her grandmother, or even Alex Newell's character who, and you know, is 215 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:15.869 trans the hardship thus that Alex's character went through unique was just kind of unbearable 216 00:17:15.950 --> 00:17:19.309 because when you think about it like it wasn't that long ago, but it 217 00:17:19.390 --> 00:17:25.190 also was a long time ago in terms of like the culture and in terms 218 00:17:25.190 --> 00:17:30.420 of, you know where, like where we were with lgbt rights at the 219 00:17:30.539 --> 00:17:36.339 moment, like Rupaul's drag race was just starting out. Yeah, you know, 220 00:17:36.660 --> 00:17:40.339 like there was obviously gay characters on other TV shows, but like glee 221 00:17:40.579 --> 00:17:44.450 was, like people often forget that this was a TV show that was the 222 00:17:44.529 --> 00:17:49.490 biggest hit on TV. It was beyond mainstream and it was centrator and teenagers. 223 00:17:51.410 --> 00:17:56.450 So this was heavy stuff and I think people often forget that, like 224 00:17:56.569 --> 00:18:03.400 it was in so many ways a game changer. The next point I want 225 00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:07.640 to bring up is that times get tough, but it does get better, 226 00:18:08.599 --> 00:18:12.509 and I really think you see that when crafts, you, tried to kill 227 00:18:12.549 --> 00:18:17.750 himself after being bolted at his new school, but then by the end of 228 00:18:17.789 --> 00:18:19.630 the series, you know, he ends up getting a happy, happy life. 229 00:18:21.470 --> 00:18:25.390 Yes, so true. And even from the more kind of Sardonic, 230 00:18:25.509 --> 00:18:32.500 sarcastic characters like Santana and sue, they were written so smartly, I feel 231 00:18:32.539 --> 00:18:37.019 Lallah, because they were, you know, they they were really funny and 232 00:18:37.460 --> 00:18:41.930 just when they got to the point of, you know, you were kind 233 00:18:41.930 --> 00:18:45.289 of thinking okay, guys, that's not funny anymore, that's just really mean 234 00:18:45.529 --> 00:18:52.009 and horrible, and the rioters would reel them back in and give them a 235 00:18:52.049 --> 00:18:55.960 bit more emotion and a bit more depth. And you definitely saw that, 236 00:18:56.119 --> 00:19:00.279 even with characters that you might not have liked, like you said, Dave 237 00:19:00.440 --> 00:19:03.079 Cross key, even though things were heard for him, they got better. 238 00:19:03.640 --> 00:19:10.470 The right is mostly gave everyone some kind of redemption or some kind of a 239 00:19:10.549 --> 00:19:14.349 second chance, and I just think, especially as a young queer person, 240 00:19:14.390 --> 00:19:18.509 and it would, it's a it's a marvelous thing to look at and it 241 00:19:18.789 --> 00:19:25.059 makes me so happy that new generations of Queer people are discovering the show for 242 00:19:25.180 --> 00:19:30.220 the first time and all of the messages behind, behind the show, and 243 00:19:30.420 --> 00:19:34.500 you really hold on to that, like if you were someone who grew up 244 00:19:34.579 --> 00:19:37.500 watching the show, you really held on to the fact that, like, 245 00:19:38.849 --> 00:19:42.650 it got better for each one of those characters and therefore it was written so 246 00:19:42.809 --> 00:19:47.490 well that you knew that one day it would. For you, yes, 247 00:19:47.730 --> 00:19:52.240 one hundred percent, like for me, like the main original cast literally mirrage 248 00:19:52.359 --> 00:19:57.319 my life. So I feel like people often don't understand why. You know, 249 00:19:57.480 --> 00:20:04.160 some people might have an emotional attachment to a fictional TV show with fictional 250 00:20:04.200 --> 00:20:10.230 people, but like there is when it's the only consistent in someone's life. 251 00:20:10.349 --> 00:20:12.950 Like you kind of step back and you're like wow, the impact that that 252 00:20:14.109 --> 00:20:17.990 hat. Yes, even if you watch it now with by the way, 253 00:20:17.990 --> 00:20:19.990 if you are in the United States, it is on Netflix right now and 254 00:20:21.069 --> 00:20:23.819 you can watch it, you still get to learn something and that's really really 255 00:20:23.859 --> 00:20:29.019 powerful writing, when it gets to be relevant to the Times but also timeless 256 00:20:29.059 --> 00:20:32.619 in its way exactly. And you know, there's some people who will say 257 00:20:32.779 --> 00:20:36.769 that there's elements of the show that are really problematic and they have an aged 258 00:20:36.849 --> 00:20:40.690 well, and that's definitely true that, but you have to realize that at 259 00:20:40.690 --> 00:20:44.650 the time, even though it was only ten years ago, I mean we've 260 00:20:44.970 --> 00:20:48.809 we've come so far, and just even ten years, but like we've got 261 00:20:48.849 --> 00:20:52.799 a million miles more to go. But in those those ten years we have 262 00:20:52.960 --> 00:20:59.519 also come very far, and so there's definitely things to be learned there and 263 00:20:59.599 --> 00:21:02.799 there's definitely things to be laughed at in the sense that, you know, 264 00:21:03.079 --> 00:21:06.670 you watch some episodes and you're like, okay, they could not get away 265 00:21:06.670 --> 00:21:10.509 with saying or doing that anymore. But you can kind of take comfort in 266 00:21:10.630 --> 00:21:12.990 that we've progressed past that point. If there ever is a glae boost, 267 00:21:14.470 --> 00:21:18.940 I think that there's going to be a lot of changes as a project as 268 00:21:18.980 --> 00:21:22.380 a whole. Over six seasons, Glee did more to change hearts and minds 269 00:21:22.460 --> 00:21:26.900 than it did to hurt them. Amen. That is such a Su same 270 00:21:26.059 --> 00:21:30.140 way of putting that, Lalla. All right. Well, thank you so 271 00:21:30.180 --> 00:21:33.009 much for coming on snack sighs, and for my listeners who want to dive 272 00:21:33.170 --> 00:21:37.130 more into glee with your podcast, where can they find you? Thank you 273 00:21:37.170 --> 00:21:42.410 so much, weight yet you can find me on Instagram, on twitter US 274 00:21:42.730 --> 00:21:49.599 Glee Cup podcast, so that's Glee Cup, as in recup Gel ECAP podcast, 275 00:21:49.720 --> 00:21:53.480 on instagram and twitter, or you can find me on both platforms on 276 00:21:53.559 --> 00:22:00.119 my personally kind twitches us. I am Connor Burke. Thank you so much, 277 00:22:00.200 --> 00:22:03.309 conner, for coming on Sak sighs, and until next time, snacks, 278 00:22:03.549 --> 00:22:07.269 go be fabulous. Thank you so much, Lalla. Hey Snack, 279 00:22:07.630 --> 00:22:11.670 thanks for hanging out with me and listening to this episode. 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